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Can you just share some specific

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examples of election fraud?

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What are some specific examples

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that informed this bold

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decision, this awe dishes

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decision, after the riots to

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decertify the results.

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You must have seen some concrete

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evidence.

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>> Well, Pam, the things that I

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was not objecting to the

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election on behalf of was things

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like dominion voting machines

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changing ballots or these U-Haul

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trucks pulling up filled with

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ballots for Joe Biden as

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president.

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The thing I was objecting for

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were things like in the state of

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Wisconsin, particularly in the

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town of Madison, there was an

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appointed official in that town

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that went against the will of

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the state legislature and

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created ballot drop boxes, which

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is basically ballot harvesting

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that was happening in the parks.

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>> But this was all litigated.

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You know that the trump campaign

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litigated all of this more than

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60 cases and they lost.

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Either the cases were dismissed,

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the trump campaign withdrew, or

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they never brought a case

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because they didn't have the

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evidence to back it up.

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>> Indeed.

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I believe specifically, and this

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is the one I debated on behalf

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of on the house floor.

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In Wisconsin, that was never

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heard, they dismissed it because

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of standing.

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I don't believe that is a

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concrete enough of a way --

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>> So you have Wisconsin, but

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you never -- you ended up not

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actually voting against

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Wisconsin.

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It was just Arizona and

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Pennsylvania, because you didn't

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have the senate votes.

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But, three trump-appointed

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judges actually threw out these

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cases because of merit.

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It was because of merit.

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There were three trump-appointed

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judges of all of these judges in

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the more than 60 cases that were

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tossed out, and you keep talking

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about Wisconsin.

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I'm still not hearing any

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specific examples of fraud.

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If you would, just tell us, what

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are the specific examples you

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saw of fraud?

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Because when you think of fraud,

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you're thinking you're slipping

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one past an election official,

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or it was stolen, somehow it

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didn't count.

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Did you see that specifically?

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>> No, Pam.

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>> And like I said, that's not

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the reason that I contested the

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election.

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>> Hold on, so you wanted to

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throw out millions of votes

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without actually seeing any

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concrete evidence of fraud?

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That's what you were doing when

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you were contesting the

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election.

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The intent there was throwing