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On your website yesterday, Jake,

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you know, your website is

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talking about now we think the

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spread is coming from small

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social groups and family groups.

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First it was large groups.

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Now it's small groups.

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>> Coming from all sorts of

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places because the pandemic is

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out of control.

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>> Here is what we have to do.

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We are not going to control the

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pandemic.

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We are going to control the fact

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that we get vaccines

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therapeutics and other --

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>> Why not get control of the

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pandemic?

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>> Because it is a contagious

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virus just like the flu.

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>> Why not make efforts to

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>> We are making efforts to

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contain it.

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>> By running all over the

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country and not wearing a mask

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is what vice president is doing.

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>> Let me just say this.

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What we need to do is make sure

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that we have the proper

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mitigation factors whether it's

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therapies or vaccines or

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treatments to make sure that

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people don't die from this.

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But to suggest that we are going

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to actually quarantine all of

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America and -- Joe Biden is

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saying lock everybody down.

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>> Not what he said.

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>> We are having a dark winter.

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We are going to have a dark

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winter.

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>> What health officials say!

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What health officials say it's

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going to get worse!

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>> No.

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>> The health officials did not

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say dark winter.

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Those were Joe Biden's words.

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>> Health official.

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I think he was quoting William

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Hazeltine.

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>> We have to make sure we fight

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it with therapeutics and

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vaccines, take proper mitigation

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factors in terms of social

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distancing and masks when we

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can.

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When we look at this, we are

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going to defeat it because we

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are Americans.

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We do that and this president is

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leading while Joe Biden is

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sitting there suggesting that we

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are going to mandate masks.

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>> The president is holding

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rallies all over the country.

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>> That's correct.

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>> No masks required and no

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distancing.

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There are already been,

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according to health officials,

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contact tracing, there are

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already been cases of

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individuals in Minnesota and in

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Washington, D.C. And in Oklahoma

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that got the virus at these

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trump rallies that Dr. Fauci,

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himself, called a superspreader

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event the one at the white

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house.

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That is not leading.

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That is not leading.

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>> Jake, also contact tracing

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from reporters.

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Some with your own group where

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they actually have worn masks

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religiously.

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I'm here to tell you we need to

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find the vaccines and

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therapeutics to give Americans

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the relief this is not a death

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sentence because it's not and

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yet, at the same time, to

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suggest that any of that is not

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accurate is just not based on

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the facts.

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>> Here is the bottom line.

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We know according to health

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officials masks are the best

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thing people can do in terms of

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trying to prevent the virus from

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spreading, period.

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That's what they say.

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Until the vaccine he at warped

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speed and works out the best

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thing to do are masks from Dr.

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Redfield and Dr. Fauci and Dr.

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Birx and everybody.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Vice president pence is the

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head of the coronavirus task

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force and exposed to somebody

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who tested positive.

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>> Right.

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>> The CDC guidelines say he

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should quarantine.

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You're saying his running all

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over the country and meeting

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voters and campaigning is

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essential worker business?

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I don't think it is.

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If he is why not is he not

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wearing a mask?

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I haven't seen any pictures of

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him on the tarmac or anywhere

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wearing a mask.

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Should the American people

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follow the CDC guidelines or not

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because the vice president is

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not.

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>> I can tell you he is wearing

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a mask and will be wearing a

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mask today as we have this.

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Obviously, when you have an

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exposure you have to take

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additional mitigation factors to

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do that.

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But the other part of that,

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Jake, is this.

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Even those experts that you

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talked about, when we talk about

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masks, I say if mask is the

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answer and mandating mask is the

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answer, can we put all of our

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students back in schools if we

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just mandate masks and make sure

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the teachers wear masks?

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Will they be safe is in the

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answer was no!

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>> Should Americans follow CDC

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guidelines?

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>> Certainly Americans should

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follow CDC guidelines and when

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we look at that.

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>> Does that include the

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president?

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>> That includes the president

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and it includes everyone but

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there are --

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>> Why don't your supporters

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wear masks at rallies?

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Why don't you require supporters

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to wear masks at rallies?

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>> We don't mandate masks.

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We offer them out.

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We live in a free society, Jake.

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When you look at that, under a

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Joe Biden's America, he would

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lock everything down.

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>> That's not true.

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>> How do you know that?

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Have you asked him that

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question?

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Ask him that question, Jake.

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>> He has a million

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interviews -- we are not not

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talking about a hypothetical.

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>> Well, you have.

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>> I've interviewed trump we

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don't have to get into that.

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>> We can get into that.

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In terms of interviews I think

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most journalists would agree Joe

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Biden has largely be unavailable

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and to run out the clock so that

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the American people will not --

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>> The American people should

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abide by CDC guidelines?

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You're not even asking your

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supporteders to wear masks.

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>> We pass them out, Jake.

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>> Do you know how many people

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in Minnesota have gotten a virus

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because of a trump rally?

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>> You come to a rally with us.

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You give out masks.

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>> They are not wearing them.

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There is literally not one

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person in the studio.

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>> You're saying you always wear

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a mask wherever you go?

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Come on, Jake.

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The American people know that is

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not true.

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I know it's not true.

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>> I wear a mask except when I'm

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in here and my office and home.