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new Albany, Ohio as part of the

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community's Jefferson series of

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lectures.

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>>> The whole scandal of the

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last few weeks, at the heart is

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a country, Ukraine, desperately

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trying to create its own

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Independence, desperately trying

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to survive against a fairly

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constant barrage of attacks.

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>> Most cunning don't change

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their geological positions, but

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Russia did.

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They are being run by a kgb

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officer.

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He has a plan, which is how to

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undermine the democracies in

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central and eastern Europe, in

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other places.

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I think we have to be aware of

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that.

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Ukraine is the example of it

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where it actually became taking

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land, and the question is how we

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react to it.

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They also are expanding their

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influence in the Middle East.

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All of a sudden they are really

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players there.

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I think that it was a gift to

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them in the national security

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strategy to make them equivalent

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to China, but they really are

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out there militarizing

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information and trying to divide

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us from our allies, and I am

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concerned about what they're

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doing.

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>>> When the president froze the

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military aid to Ukraine, you

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know that struggle.

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Do you think the Ukrainians

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worried that something had

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changed, that American foreign

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policy had changed, or they

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accept the president's argument

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as just trying to get the

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Europeans to give them money as

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well.

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>> I think it's interesting.

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I have to say, I thought the

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Obama administration didn't do

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enough about Ukraine, frankly,

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so when the trump people started

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talking about doing something to

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Ukraine, I thought it was the

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right thing to do.

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It's very hard to tell how the

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Ukrainians sbempted it, but I do

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think they thought they were

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back in the soup without any

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help.

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I think the Russians are using a

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variety of way toss undermine

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the stability of the Ukrainians

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and generally.

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And I think we need to watch out

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for that.

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The fact that the president

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thinking he can play with it in

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that particular way is what I

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think is dangerous.

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>> I certainly agree with

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Madeline in respect to what

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Russia is doing, but it's mostly

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soft little touches.

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Military stuff in Syria and

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other places, but what they are

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doing with cybersecurity, what

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they are doing with those tools

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is to gain influence around

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Europe and every place they can

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in Europe.

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That's what the Chinese have

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been doing with the belt and

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road niche tissue, but that's an

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commission giant that they're

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putting in place, and to go from

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China all the way through the he

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channel into London.

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So they are doing things that

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are exciting, that are

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attracting people, buying

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influence, some of them are

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going broke with the Chinese

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deal they get, but nevertheless

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what is our equivalent to

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something like that?

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We're cutting foreign aid.

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We're cutting foreign aid,

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because, you know, they don't

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contribute enough.

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Yes, they do.

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Or they don't give anything to

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Ukraine.

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You look at the numbers, our

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European friends and the imf and

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others have given more to

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Ukraine than we have.

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So we've got to see this thing

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realistic and not always think

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there's a war coming, but at the

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same time be ready for it.